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Interesting information! Thank you both :)

So I guess we can confidently say that this 3DMP has a replacement crown?
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I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... / Re: Zodiac Seawolf on Ebay
« Last post by Sc-Texas on August 03, 2019, 07:35:41 PM »
Any idea what reference the watch is?

What calibre movement is in it?

 I want ahead and bought it so I'll post photos here for the group when it arrives do you have any thoughts on what year this particular watch is from?
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I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... / Re: Zodiac Seawolf on Ebay
« Last post by Butch on August 03, 2019, 04:10:35 PM »
This is an earlier model then the ones you referenced.
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I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... / Re: Zodiac Seawolf on Ebay
« Last post by Sc-Texas on August 03, 2019, 03:04:38 PM »
  what reference is this watch? I noticed on the case back it says 10 atmospheres. On other models that look the same the case back says 20t
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Fair point, sorry. Sometime in the 50's that appears to have started. Once one company did it (who knows who was first!) they all started doing it. If you look at the REALLY old catalogs there are watches with unsigned crowns. Having said that, most Zodiacs watches that are collected had signed crowns, including the 3DMPs I believe.

Crowns were part of the Zodiacs service pack, I have a case full of those. Crystal, seal (all melted now!), and crown. Most watchmakers replaced the crowns during a service. And if they did not sell Zodiacs they most likely put an unsigned crown on during the service.

Collectors get tied up in 3, 4 X signed. I would rather have a new unsigned crown than an old signed crown if I am going to wear it.

Ex-Spurt = A has been drip under pressure. Sorry, sometimes I just get in a hurry. Always happy to discuss and learn though so no need to defer to me.

Maybe UV can weigh in on when the signed crowns came into being. Or a best guess anyways.

A little bit off topic, but along the same lines. I see you are a VZ Team member so if you check the catalog site, in the advertisements section, you may find this one of interest, 1955ZodiacLogoAd2.jpg. It talks about why they started putting the raised logo on the dials.
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Butch, you're the expert, and I defer to you. Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you meant, but I interpreted it as "the crowns of all Zodiac watches were signed when they left the factory." Maybe you meant the crowns on all Zodiac moonphase watches? Or all Zodiac crowns in the 1970s? I am fairly confident that a variety of earlier models left the factory with unsigned crowns. I have seen too many examples both at auction and in catalogs of unsigned crowns to think otherwise.
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All Zodiacs crowns were signed when they left the factory. If yours was not signed then it is not original. Having said that, different shaped crowns are easier for some folks to wind.
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I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... / Re: Zodiac Seawolf on Ebay
« Last post by Butch on August 03, 2019, 06:50:58 AM »
Like an early Sea Wolf? Not sure what you are asking me, but I will take a stab. It appears to be in great condition for a 60 year old watch. And the price is very good at today's conversion of $378.15.
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Beautiful piece. Butch, do you think that is the original crown? I have a similar era (same dial layout but in white) moonphase, and my crown is visibly different. Not signed but most definitely a different shape. Mine is not gold-plated. Maybe they used different style crowns depending on the nickel vs gold finish? Picture of mine was posted to this forum back in the day for reference.
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I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... / Re: Zodiac Seawolf on Ebay
« Last post by Sc-Texas on August 02, 2019, 02:14:53 PM »
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