Zodiac Talk => I saw this Zodiac on the Internet... => Topic started by: dmh on May 04, 2013, 10:54:47 PM

Title: Here is a nice one...
Post by: dmh on May 04, 2013, 10:54:47 PM
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I'm just not sure what it is.
Could be a diamond in the rough !!!!

Kind of strange there is no picture of the movement, but from the photos posted, other than the dial & bogus case back markings, it looks like a RCAF issued Omega from the early 60's. Only 940 issued, so it might have been a very rare watch a one time.
So rare one sold at Christies in Nov. 2010 for over $14,000. But, it had the correct Omega dial and correct case back markings.

All insight appreciated.
Best,
dmh

Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: jmh86325 on May 05, 2013, 02:05:34 AM
didn't Rodania and Breitling also have a version of this
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: dmh on May 05, 2013, 07:44:46 AM
Yes Sir, You are correct. Also Universal Geneve.
All were issued to RCAF in the 60's. Most had unsigned dials and Broadarrows on the case back.
On the eBay watch, the markings look to be a crude attempt to copy the  legitimate Omega markings.
Also that crown is shaped like known examples of the Omega.

A Zodiac collector I know has offered $1000 for the watch and seller turned him down. It's only up to $179.50 now with 16 hours to go. It is going to be interesting to see what it goes for.

Best,
dmh


Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: pknopp on May 05, 2013, 09:50:42 AM
 I have no idea but I am left wondering why anyone would make an Omega into a Zodiac? Not meant as a knock on Zodiac as I have a really nice Omega but I generally wear my Zodiac but any way around it, it's not worth as much on face value as-is.
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: dmh on May 05, 2013, 11:00:00 AM
The seller is too busy to be doctoring watches. He has 6,488 active eBay listings and 905 of them are watches. His feedback is only 51, 915 with 34 negatives in the last year.
So it appears someone else has been playing with this watch. Maybe not to increase the value, but to hide the fact that the watch was liberated.
I may be wrong, but I don't think any one button chronograph was ever produced for the civilian trade. They were all made for the military .
If you can prove me wrong, please do. I may be old, but not too old to learn.
Best,
dmh
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: Ultra-Vintage on May 05, 2013, 02:20:30 PM
Honestly, that could be anything.  As previous posters have already established, it is not a true Zodiac.  It is a conglomeration of who knows how many watches/manufacturers.  The fact that most watch companies used many of the same movements in vintage chronos lends itself to this, and put-together internet specials are born.  Many buyers purchase these unaware, and I have to be the bearer of bad news when they send it to me for repair. 

I will also say that 3/4 or more of these put-together internet watches (chronographs in particular) have been done so poorly and with inferior or worn out parts, that if they can be made to run reliably at all....it will cost the owner ALOT to do so.
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: Butch on May 06, 2013, 04:42:12 AM
Unreal. Where are those people when I am selling real ones?
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: Ultra-Vintage on May 06, 2013, 10:44:37 AM
 :agreei
Title: Re: Here is a nice one...
Post by: dmh on May 06, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
$910 + $6.50 = $916.50
Unbelievable  !!!!!! But then again, maybe not.

There are a lot of fake military watches on eBay. At first, a lot of them came out of Vietnam. They have spread like kudzu and are everywhere now.
This "Rolex" 200906673684 sold for  $510 +$5 shipping in  March.
The buyer resold 140950680701 same watch in April for $657 + shipping.
Not a bad profit for flipping a fake watch.

Best,
dmh