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ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« on: May 08, 2018, 12:32:28 PM »
This is what I know.
1.  1940s Zodiac Chronogragh. 
2.  Manual wind Valjoux 22 movement
3.  Solid gold
4.  Serial number.  479845
5. The number 102 inside a stamped shape on the case back


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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2018, 12:34:00 PM »
The Watch

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2018, 12:34:31 PM »
Another dial

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2018, 12:35:06 PM »
Case back serial number

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2018, 12:36:43 PM »
The crown and pushers

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2018, 09:44:54 PM »
Any ideas.

Are the hands original?

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2018, 10:14:28 PM »
I doubt the hands original

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 08:42:06 AM »
UV will weigh in, he is the chrono guy here. Nice specimen!
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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 02:51:15 PM »
Silly question.  Why do you think the hands aren't original?

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2018, 03:21:34 PM »
Hour hand looks suspiciously wide. Second hand - short.
But it is only my speculation.

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2018, 04:31:06 PM »
As already mentioned, as it is pretty glaring, the hour hand is not original.  Not the correct shape, and is way too long.  It would be shorter to meet the position of the hour markers, not go all the way out to the minutes while overshooting the hours.  Chrono centrer seconds hand has the tail broken off, can still see a remnant of it.  The register hands are a style that came from this era, whether they are original or not is really hard to tell.

Honestly, blown up, the dial appears to be refinished to me.  I see several things that do not look original, but instead an older refinish that has age now that makes it appear more original.  However, that is not something I could be 100% about until I saw in person.  Is the dial the only thing signed "Zodiac" on the whole watch?  I have seen plenty of Landeron movement chronographs from this era that were not signed Zodiac on the movement, but were signed case/dial.  So I am not sure that they didnt sign them in the 40s/early 50s, but then started later.  However, I cannot remember ever seeing an original Valjoux movement in a Zodiac that was unsigned, from any era (until the 7750, most of those were not signed).

Most of the chronos from this era that I have seen sell online are made up in one way or another, or totally made up.  I have yet to see one that I can look at and say it is 100% original Zodiac.  If I did, I would be trying hard to own it.  The nature of their components make it easy to play mix-n-match, most companies used cases/movements/dial/hand sizes/styles that allowed it to be done easily.

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2018, 12:58:45 PM »
I pulled the strap off.   Interesting reverse spring bar design.

What do y'all think?

Is this normal for a case?

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2018, 01:23:49 PM »
I pulled the strap off.   Interesting reverse spring bar design.

What do y'all think?

Is this normal for a case?

Yes, it is normal for the era.  The use of cases requiring "female" spring bars was not uncommon.

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Re: ID on 1940s Gold case 17jewel Chronogragh
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2018, 02:34:38 AM »
Does the case look like a zodiac case from that era?

 

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