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Started by Butch, March 08, 2019, 05:55:42 AM
Quote from: Butch on March 08, 2019, 12:59:44 PMIf you got enough money a Chinese company will make you anything you want. Why in the hell the person did not send them a metal bezel is beyond me. They sent them an acrylic bezel and asked that they make metal bezels that are now 3 times as thick as original metal bezels. An you need a spring now.VZ?
Quote from: Ultra-Vintage on March 08, 2019, 01:12:01 PMMy guess is they chose to do it this way because the use of a spring allows for more tolerance in dimension and would allow them to fit most of the cases using a spring-style by changing spring size etc.
Quote from: Butch on March 08, 2019, 01:26:54 PMDefinitely Chinese (I think anyway) and not original in any fashion.
Quote from: YuriyV on March 08, 2019, 01:35:22 PMQuote from: Butch on March 08, 2019, 01:26:54 PMDefinitely Chinese (I think anyway) and not original in any fashion.Agree, it is not original. But not mandatory Chinese. I tend to think it is something from European aftermarket from 1980-90. Maybe. I have some thoughts and something to display later today.
Quote from: Ultra-Vintage on March 08, 2019, 02:16:12 PMThe original seller of these offered at least 4 different stories of their origin, none of which I believe. All were to deflect from the fact that they are not original. Other people can buy the con for their own profit all they want, but that does not change the original falsehood.If they are aftermarket, great, sell them to people as aftermarket and let them decide if they want to use them. That is honest, as Butch said, for someone without a bezel anything is better than nothing. However, do not continue to sell them as original which in turn has other sellers putting them on watches and selling them to even more people as original.
Quote from: Ultra-Vintage on March 08, 2019, 02:19:21 PMAs found SWs and GMTs were regularly $100 watches on Ebay all day in the early 2000s and the hobby as a whole did not pay much attention to them. Now that their prices have risen to several times those levels it is finally profitable for aftermarket components to be made.
Quote from: Butch on March 08, 2019, 04:30:00 PMAll of that is well and good. They were made to a spec though, presented by the customer. Right, wrong, or indifferent. China, Romania, or Sudan, it does not really matter does it? My point here is that they were not made by Zodiac, they are not original, and you guys should be aware they are out there and not get duped. First they were trying to sell them on e bay as as found NOS parts. Now they are starting to put them on watched and peddle them that way. If you bring one here you're gonna get laughed out of the house. Kinda like that one jewel wonder "Zodiac" Jump Hour.YuriyV, I am guessing you bought some as you certainly have a lot of specs around them. Thanks for sharing that with us.
Quote from: Butch on March 09, 2019, 10:04:05 AMI guess you threw those marriages together to illustrate your point here.
Quote from: YuriyV on March 08, 2019, 09:17:50 PMDefinitely. Everything said above regarding originality is true. Although without proper context we risk to make wrong conclusions. Nova days producing parts for vintage watches mainly harm us, collectors.But 30-40 years ago it was different situation. These watches were regular wearable pieces.Parts were needed to fulfill regular service demand. But there was no production due to obvious reasons (Zodiac bankruptcy).So, somebody ordered a batch for their service department.Or Zodiac, as all other brands, order parts from third party companies, experimenting with different suppliers/styles? Who knows.As result, standard bezels (regular Sea Wolf and GMT) from that batch were spent many moons ago. And we can see very weird leftovers.As illustration, here is a same Sea Wolf in 946 case. It is for regular Bakelite spring loaded bezel.As we can see, these thick metal bezels fit this and only this case perfectly. They can fit other Zodiac SW and GMT cases only if glued. So my biggest question is regarding that watch in the topic starter post. Does bezel rotate or glued/soldered?If it does rotate, than spring loaded cases for GMT did exist (issued by Zodiac) and my above thoughts have some sense.
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